William Henry (Bill) CLOTHIER
1880 - 1959 (78 years)
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Name William Henry (Bill) CLOTHIER [1, 2, 3] Birth 17 Nov 1880 Minty, Corsham, Wiltshire, England 
[3] Baptism 12 Dec 1880 Corsham, Chippenham, Wiltshire, England [2] Gender Male Address Address:
William CLOTHIER
12 Springfield Rd, Clewer Within Windsor BeResidence 12 Dec 1880 Minety, Wiltshire, England [2] Census 4 Apr 1881 8 Church Lane, Bradford On Avon, Wiltshire England [4] - See Henry Clothier
Baptism 1 May 1882 North Cathedral, Cathedral Of St. Mary & St. Anne, Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland [5] CAUS Cardiac Failure And Influenza [1] Residence 1 May 1882 3 Patrick's Square, Off Gerald Griffin St., Blackpool, Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland [5] Census 31 Mar 1901 Fort Military Barrack, Duncannon, New Ross, Co Wexford [6] Residence 11 Apr 1901 Duncannon, New Ross, Co Wexford, Ireland [7] Residence 6 May 1902 Duncannon, New Ross, Co Wexford, Ireland [8] Residence 15 Nov 1915 8 Wrixon's Lane, Off Saint Mary's Rd, Blackpool, Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland [9] Residence 23 Oct 1927 Combermere Barracks, Windsor, Berkshire, England [10] Census 29 Sep 1939 12 Springfield Rd., Clewer Within, Windsor, England - 1939 England Wales Register
Education Was Educated At An Orphanage MILI At the age of 13-15 he ran away from the orphanage and went and joined the British army (He was born in 1880 in Corsham Wiltshire). He managed to fool them into thinking he was old enough as he was over six feet tall and well built., he became a career soldier and stayed in it most of his life.
I have a WW1 medals from for a William Clothier who served in the Royal Munster Fusiliers.
Lived in Windsor England
I don't know the date my dad enlisted. I know his regiment was the Royal Munster Fusiliers and that he was stationed in Duncannon Co Wexford there he met and married my mother/ He served in South Africa campaign before he married my mum. I have his medals one has King Edward VIIth's head on it and one has Queen Victoria on. The Victorian one has two bars on saying Orange Free State Cape Colony while the Edwardian one has two bars on saying South Africa 1901 and 1902
My sister Peg was born in 1902 in Ireland and mum and Peg stayed with my Grandmother (Another relative I never met) while my Dad went off to India to the North West Frontier I don't know any dates, but have a medal saying North West Frontier 1908. Mum and Peg followed later where except for Peg, Bill and Me, all the rest fo the family were born. Bill was born in Ireland and I was born in Windsor. I have no idea how long they were in India, but I suppose they lived with my grandmother on their return and all during the 1914-1918 war. Bill might be able to help there.
After the end of the war I think Dad got a job as a civilian working for the Army in Kent. I think the barracks was at Shorncliffe, I don't know how long they were there, again Bill might remember. I hadn't appeared then. Eventually they arrived at Windsor still working for the Army, where I was born in 1926. He became redundant with all the others in 1929, (no redundancy pay in those days), and had to find somewhere for us to live, as accommodation went with the job. He managed to buy a house in Windsor, because his eyes had suffered from the war he was in receipt of a small disability pension, and although he tried hard enough he never got another job until 1940, when he found a job as a night watchman until the end of the war so that helped a lot.
Pat Clothier 21 Jan 2005
William Clothier Army Record - Various pages [11, 12]Occupation Soldier 1901, 1902 & 1915, British Army, Barrack Labourer 1927, Night Watchman, Labourer Retired 1939, [1, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10] Religion Was Baptised In The Church Of England 12 Dec 1880 In Corsham Wiltshire England Then Baptised In The Roman Catholic Church 1 May 1882 At The North Cathedral Cork City Ireland Residence 1957 12 Springfield Rd., Clewer Within, Windsor, England - Berkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1965
Residence 1958 12 Springfield Rd., Clewer Within, Windsor, England - Berkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1965
Residence 1959 12 Springfield Rd., Clewer Within, Windsor, England - Berkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1965
_UID 288CF85EE0584C8486DFDEA374C53956C081 Death 7 Mar 1959 12 Springfield Rd., Clewer Within, Windsor, England [1, 13] Burial Windsor, Berkshire, England Notes - Certified copy of an Entry of Birth
Registration District Chippenham.
1880 Birth in the Sub District of Corsham in the County of Wilts.
When and where born - Seventeenth November 1880, Minty, Corsham,
Name if any - William Henry, Sex - Boy.
Name and Surname of Father - Henry Clothier.
Name, Surname and Maiden surname of Mother - Honora Clothier formerly Horrigan.
Occupation of Father - Farm Labourer.
Signature, description and residence of informant - x the mark of Honora Clothier, Mother, Minty Corsham.
When registered - Twenty First December 1880.
Signature of Registrar - William Kemm Registrar.
Baptism Register
Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of Corsham in the County of Wilts in the Year 1880
When baptised - 1880, Dec 12th,
No. - 1051
Child's Christian Name - William Henry,
Parents Names - Christian - Henry & Norah, Surname - Clothier,
Abode - Minety,
Quality, Trade or Profession - Labourer.
By whom the Ceremony was performed - G. R. Sharpe Curate.
1881 Census of England - 4 Apr 1881,
Page Number: 2 The undermentioned houses are situated within the Boundaries of the Civil Parish - Bradford Wilts. Town - Bradford, Urban Sanitary District - Bradford, Ecclesiastical parish or District of Christ Church
8 Church Lane,
Clothier Henry, Head, Mar, 36, Agricultural Labourer, Somerset Bath.
Norah, Wife, Mar, 33, Ireland Cork.
John, son, 10, Scholar, Ireland Cork.
Mary, Daur, 8, Scholar, Ireland Cork.
Norah, Daur, 6, Scholar, Ireland Cork.
Elizabeth, Daur, 5, Scholar, Ireland Cork.
Juely, Daur, 3, Scholar, Ireland Cork.
William, son, 5ms, Wilts Corsham.
Baptism record,
North Cathedral, Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland
North Cathedral Register 12, page 162, entry 8.
Henry Clothier, birth date 17 Nov 1881, baptism 1 May 1882.
Father Henry Clothier, Mother Honora Horgan.
Sponsor 1 John Mullane, Sponsor 2 Bridget Harrington.
Comments: Celebrant W J Madden. Mother (Hanorah)
William appears to have been baptised twice once in Corsham England as a Protestant and later on his return to Cork Ireland as a Catholic.
Was put into orphanage by his mom on their return to Cork after Henry's death. At the age of 13-15 he ran away from the orphanage and went and joined the British army. He managed to fool them into thinking he was old enough as he was over six feet tall and well built.
The family in Cork never saw him until many many years later.
William spent a lot of time in India - Maisie Mulcahy
GRO Regimental Birth Indices 1761-1924 on <1837online.com> search 1900-1924
Margaret K, Place - Rawal***, Year - 1902, Regt - 101st, Vol 856, Page- 31;
Margaret K, Place - Duncannon, Year - 1902, Regt - 101st, Vol 856, Page- 31;
William J., Place - Rawalpindie, Year - 1906, Regt - 101st, Vol 856, Page- 31;
William J., Place - Rawalpindie, Year - 1906, Regt - 101st, Vol 856, Page- 31;
1901 Census of Ireland - Form H - Return of Military, R.I. Constabulary or Metropolitan Police in Barracks.
No. on Form B. 82 to 87
County - Wexford, Parliamentary Division - South Wexford, Poor Law Union - New Ross, District Electoral Division - Ballyhack, Town or Village - Duncannon.
General return of the Officers, Non-Commisssioned Officers, Privates and Others who were Quartered in the Fort Military Barrack of Duncannon on the Night of Sunday, the 31st of March 1901, and those who arrived on Monday the 1st of April, who were not enumerated elsewhere.
Fort Military Barrack, Duncannon, New Ross, Co Wexford
Number - 8,
Initial Letters of Christian Name or Names and of Surname - W. C.,
Rank - Private,
Religious Profession - Roman Catholic,
Education - Read & Write,
Age Years on last birthday - 22,
Occupation - Laborer,
Marriage - Not Married,
Where Born - Cork,
Certified copy of entry in the Marriage Register Book.
Marriage solemnised at the Catholic church Duncannon in the Registrars district of Fethard No 2, in the Superintendent Registrar's district of New Ross in the County of Wexford Ireland. No. 130
When married - 11th day of April 1901.
Name and Surname - William Clothier, Age - Full, Condition - Bachelor, Rank or Profession - Soldier, Residence at the time of marriage - Duncannon Co Wexford, Father's Name and Surname - Henry Clothier, Rank or Profession of Father - Watchmaker.
Name and Surname - Helena Venn, Age - Full, Condition - Spinster, Rank or Profession - Servant, Residence at the time of marriage - Duncannon Co Wexford, Father's Name and Surname - James Venn, Rank or Profession of Father - Sailor.
Witnesses: James Callaghan & Mary Ann Venn.
William Clothier in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: William Clothier
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 12 Jul 1880
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 12 Springfield Rd
Residence Place: New Windsor, Berkshire, England
Occupation: Labourer (Retired)
Line Number: 8
Schedule Number: 355
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: Dtfi
Borough: New Windsor
Registration district: 125 2
Inferred Spouse: Helena Clothier
Household Members Age
William Clothier 59
Helena Clothier 56
Elizabeth Nye 28
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
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Edward J. Nye in the Berkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1965
Name: Edward J. Nye
Residence Date: 1957
Street Address: 12 Springfield Road
Residence Place: Berkshire, England
Parliamentary Division: Windsor
1727 Clothier, William H
1728 Clothier, Elle
1729 Nye Edward J
Edward J. Nye in the Berkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1965
Name: Edward J. Nye
Residence Date: 1958
Street Address: 12 Springfield Road
Residence Place: Berkshire, England
Parliamentary Division: Windsor
1748 Clothier, William H
1749 Clothier, Elle
1750 Nye Edward J
Edward J. Nye in the Berkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1965
Name: Edward J. Nye
Residence Date: 1959
Street Address: 12 Springfield Road
Residence Place: Berkshire, England
Parliamentary Division: Windsor
1734 Clothier, William H
1735 Clothier, Elle
1736 Nye Edward J
Ted said my Grandmother lived in India for 11 years when Grandpa was in the Army. Some of the children were born in India. My Mother was the eldest and has always talked about living in India. She had to help with the children and went to school there. Also picked up some of the language. Maybe that is where you came to a blank after Grandfather left Ireland. - Helena Kent 12 Jan 2005
During his travels he met Paddy Hartnett who happened to know the Clothiers (Lizzie & Mary) from Patricks Arch, Paddy's Mom was a Nora Hor(i)gan too but not our one. During the conversation it sparked William's interest in his family and he later visited them there.
(Paddy Hartnett is listed in the 31 Mar 1901 census as living at 8 St Patricks Arch with his Father Patrick 37, Labourer Egg Packer and Mother Nora 40, Fowl Plucker. He is aged 15 and a Labourer Egg Packer).
William was later stationed in Collins Barracks. He had a good friend Jock Green, from Belfast who served in the Navy.
Later in life after his retirement he moved to Windsor England. Where he died, he was old when he died.
Gran (Hannah Felton), Mom (Eily Mulcahy) and all of us went to to visit his (William Clothier's) address as his wife (Lena Venn) was still living there, but even though it appears that she may have been in she did not answer the door, (Gran could see the curtains moving and someone peering out from behind them), this would have been in the late 60's.
A neighbour said that her daughter looks after her.
Certified copy of an entry of Death, Registration district Windsor, 1959 Death in the subdistrict of Windsor in the county of Berks.
No 188,
When and where died, Seventh March 1959, 12 Springfield Road, Clewer Within;
Name and Surname - William Henry Clothier;
Sex - Male;
Age - 78 years;
Occupation - Night Watchman (Retired);
Cause of death - 1a. Cardiac failure b. Influenza Certified by A. M. Murray MRCS;
Signature, description and residence of informant - E.P.Stephenson, Daughter, 12 Springfield Road, Windsor.; When registered - Ninth March 1959;
Signature of registar J. Howell - deputy registar.
According to Maisie, William spent a lot of time in India
All the children where born in India except Peggy and Eileen Patricia
WAGS search Regimental births fiche:
William J Clothier, Station Rawal Pindi, Year 1906, Page 158.
John H Clothier, Station Rawal Pindi, Year 1908, Page 195.
Helena Clothier, Station Nowshera, Year 1909, Page 186.
Elizabeth J Clothier, Station Nowshera, Year 1911, Page 135.
Came back and lived in Windsor [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]
Person ID I157 falvey08 Last Modified 17 Oct 2022
Father Henry (Harry) CLOTHIER, b. 25 Aug 1844, 13 Westmorland Buildings, Lyncombe & Widcombe, Bath, Somerset, England d. 9 Apr 1882, Stroud Farm, Nr Forest Lane, Lacock, Wiltshire, England (Age 37 years) Mother Honora (Norah) HORGAN (HORRIGAN), b. 1849, Co Cork, Ireland d. 7 Nov 1929, Cork District Hospital, (Now St Finbarr's Hospital), Douglas Rd., Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland (Age 80 years) Marriage 17 Aug 1868 St Luke's (C Of I), Summerhill, Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland Family ID F47 Group Sheet | Family Chart
Family Helena (Lena) VENN, b. 16 Oct 1883, Duncannon, New Ross, Co Wexford, Ireland d. 6 Dec 1969, 27 Burnetts Rd., Windsor, England (Age 86 years) Marriage 11 Apr 1901 Our Lady Star Of The Sea, Duncannon, New Ross, Co Wexford, Ireland [7] - Vol 4 Page 367
_UID 488B29DC33344EEE92B83334C29B5A8B6EFF Children 1. Margaret Mary (Peggy) CLOTHIER, b. 6 May 1902, Duncannon, New Ross, Co Wexford, Ireland d. 5 Nov 2001, Petal, Forrest County, Mississippi, USA (Age 99 years)2. William James (Jim) CLOTHIER, b. 17 Jan 1906, Rawalpindi, India d. 14 Jun 1961, 64 Altfield Rd., Liverpool, England (Age 55 years)3. John Henry (Harry) CLOTHIER, b. 1 Feb 1908, Rawalpindi, India d. 23 Oct 1927, The Sanatorium, Abingdon, Oxfordshire, England (Age 19 years)4. Helena (Lena) CLOTHIER, b. 5 Nov 1909, Nowshera, India d. Abt 31 Dec 1974, Windsor, Berkshire, England (Age 65 years)5. Elizabeth J. (Betty) CLOTHIER, b. 27 Aug 1911, Nowshera, India d. 24 Nov 1986, Windsor, Berkshire, England (Age 75 years)6. William (Bill) CLOTHIER, b. 13 Nov 1915, 8 Wrixon's Lane, Off Saint Mary's Rd, Blackpool, Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland 7. (Confidential) Photos 
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Birth - 17 Nov 1880 - Minty, Corsham, Wiltshire, England 
Baptism - 12 Dec 1880 - Corsham, Chippenham, Wiltshire, England 
Residence - 12 Dec 1880 - Minety, Wiltshire, England 
Census - 4 Apr 1881 - 8 Church Lane, Bradford On Avon, Wiltshire England 
Baptism - 1 May 1882 - North Cathedral, Cathedral of St. Mary & St. Anne, Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland 
Residence - 1 May 1882 - 3 Patrick's Square, Off Gerald Griffin St., Blackpool, Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland 
Census - 31 Mar 1901 - Fort Military Barrack, Duncannon, New Ross, Co Wexford 
Residence - 11 Apr 1901 - Duncannon, New Ross, Co Wexford, Ireland 
Marriage - 11 Apr 1901 - Our Lady Star Of The Sea, Duncannon, New Ross, Co Wexford, Ireland 
Residence - 6 May 1902 - Duncannon, New Ross, Co Wexford, Ireland 
Residence - 15 Nov 1915 - 8 Wrixon's Lane, Off Saint Mary's Rd, Blackpool, Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland 
Residence - 23 Oct 1927 - Combermere Barracks, Windsor, Berkshire, England 
Census - 29 Sep 1939 - 12 Springfield Rd., Clewer Within, Windsor, England 
Residence - 1957 - 12 Springfield Rd., Clewer Within, Windsor, England 
Residence - 1958 - 12 Springfield Rd., Clewer Within, Windsor, England 
Residence - 1959 - 12 Springfield Rd., Clewer Within, Windsor, England 
Death - 7 Mar 1959 - 12 Springfield Rd., Clewer Within, Windsor, England 
Burial - - Windsor, Berkshire, England = Link to Google Earth Pin Legend 
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