Name |
John Francis FLANNERY [1] |
Birth |
28 Jul 1867 |
Dromtarriff, Co Cork, Ireland [2] |
- death cert has age 72 so DOB c1868, 1901 census has age 30 so DOB c1871, 1911 census has age 44 so DOB c1867
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Gender |
Male |
CAUS |
Cerebral Haemorrhage, 1 Days - Certified. [3] |
Residence |
18 Apr 1893 |
Killarney, Co Kerry, Ireland [4] |
- at time of marriage to Bridget O'Keeffe
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Residence |
18 Jan 1894 |
Albert Place, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland |
- at time of birth of daughter Mary
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Residence |
20 Oct 1895 |
Barrack Hill, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland |
- at time of birth of daughter Julia
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Residence |
20 Mar 1897 |
New Barrack Street, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland |
- at time of birth of daughter Ellen
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Census |
31 Mar 1901 |
111 Lower Glanmire Rd., Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland [2] |
Residence |
1 Feb 1902 |
10 Upper Brownes Lane, Limerick, Co Limerick, Ireland |
- at time of birth of son John
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Residence |
16 Mar 1904 |
Richardsons Lane, Limerick City, Co Limerick, Ireland [5] |
- at time of birth of son Patrick Joseph
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Residence |
26 Mar 1906 |
Limerick Junction, Co Tipperary, Ireland |
- at time of birth of son Michael
|
Residence |
28 May 1908 |
Factory Walk, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland |
- at time of birth of daughter Elizabeth
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Residence |
2 Nov 1910 |
Wolfe Tone Park, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland |
- at time of birth of daughter Teresa
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Census |
2 Apr 1911 |
19 Wolfe Tone Park, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland [6] |
Occupation |
Railway Man 1893, Railway Porter 1894, 1895, 1897, 1901, 1904, 1906, Porter In Great S & W Railway 1902, General Labourer 1908, 1910, 1911, 1912, 1914, 1921, Motor Driver 1924, Oil Salesman 1939, Oil Agent 1941, Salesman 1943, Irish American Oil Co. 1944, [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11] |
Residence |
28 Jul 1912 |
Wolfe Tone Park, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland |
- at time of birth of son Thomas
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Residence |
22 Apr 1914 |
Wolfe Tone Park, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland |
- at time of birth of daughter Hester
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Retired |
1 Sep 1921 |
Wolfe Tone Park, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland [8] |
- at time of daughter Mary Bridget's marriage to John Driscoll
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Residence |
6 Jan 1924 |
Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland [1] |
- at time of son Joseph's marriage to Lily Mary Hanson
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Residence |
6 Nov 1924 |
Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland [9] |
- at time of daughter Julia's marriage to James Meany
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Residence |
27 Jul 1939 |
Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland [10] |
- at time of daughter Elizabeth Agnes's marriage to John Jo Muphy
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Residence |
23 Jan 1941 |
Wolfe Tone Park, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland [7] |
- at time of death of wife Bridget O'Keeffe
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Residence |
19 Aug 1943 |
Wolfe Tone Park, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland |
- at time of daughter Esther's marriage to Thomas Murphy
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Residence |
15 Feb 1944 |
19 Wolfe Tone Park, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland |
- before admission into the County Hospital
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_UID |
F220386313774F0195523FBCAB9191457B09 |
Death |
16 Feb 1944 |
County Hospital, Tallow Rd., Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland [3] |
Burial |
18 Feb 1944 |
Kilcrumper Old Cemetery, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland |
Notes |
- Geraldine (Flannery) Mangan has this baptism at St John's Church Dromagh, Dromtarriff, Co Cork, listed as John's along with John and Mary Leahy as parents. On John's marriage certificate it states that his father was Patrick J and from the children we can see a second born Patrick Joseph and though that does not follow normal naming patterns the first one being named John, Bridget's father, so that is an anomaly. It just too much of a coincidence to have a Patrick Joseph as a son and a fathers father called Patrick J and him not be named after him - Matt Falvey 21 Feb 2017
I have found two Births on familysearch.org that are more likely to fit the bill for John's birth:
1) 20 Jul 1867 Cullin, Co Cork, (W. of Dromagh) Father - Patrick Flannery and Mother - Julia Walsh
2) 28 Jul 1867 Dromtarriff, Co Cork, Father - Pat Flannery and Mother Julia Moynahan
They both have Patrick's as a father and a more likely mother Julia, as the eldest female child Mary would have been named after Bridget's mother (who Geraldine has found to be Mary Scanlon), so the second female child would have been named after the fathers mother who if either of these records are correct would be Julia and the second child was called Julia.
On John's 1893 Marriage cert it does not show his father Patrick as being deceased and I cannot find a death record for him. I can find a Julia Flannery born Co Cork living in the area on the 1901 Census living at house 15, Cloonbannin East, (Skagh, Co Cork) widow aged 60, no family only lodgers and again on the 1911 census living at house 18 Cloonbannin East, (Skagh, Co Cork) Widow aged 72, no family only lodgers, married 40 years (1871), 1 child and 1 child living.
I then thought I would look for a marriage, I found marriage registered in Kanturk in the Q Dec 1866 Which had amongst the 9 people listed Patrick Flannery and Julia Moynighan. This would fit in with the second birth above.
I also found a Death Cert for a Julia Flannery 25 Dec 1919 Clounbanin, Widow, aged 85, (so born abt 1834), Widow of a Labourer, Ellie Duggan, Lodger recorded the death.
A look for birth for Julia Moynihan, brings up many possibilities and most of them are in the Dromtarriff area. I was hoping I could find a link to my Moynihan's who
To try and work out if all of this belongs I thought which John is which, that is, we have followed the records of Julia Moynihan's John, but not Julia Walsh's. So I looked at what records where available for him and could not find any marriage or census records in desperation I looked at the Death index and found, John Flannary, Q Dec 1867, Millstreet, Age - 0, Vol 20, Page 355, unfortunately on irishgenealogy.ie they have not loaded the register page yet.
So IMHO we have whittled it down to one John who fits and that is the John son of Pat and Julia Moynahan, which incredibly keeps us in the same geographical area as Geraldine was searching in, Dromtarriff, and may even be in the same church register.
Because of this subsequent research I am going to add these details to the family tree. Matt Falvey 22 Feb 2017
Jn. Flannery - Ireland Births and Baptisms
Name Jn. Flannery
Gender Male
Christening Date 28 Jul 1867
Christening Place ROMAN CATHOLIC,DROMTARRIFF,CORK,IRELAND
Father's Name Pat. Flannery
Mother's Name Julia Moynahan
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C70078-1
System Origin Ireland-ODM
GS Film number 941.5 D2C V. 11, 941.5 D2C V. 3, 941.5 D2C V. 4
Citing this Record
"Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRSJ-6F8 : 8 December 2014), Jn. Flannery, ; citing ROMAN CATHOLIC,DROMTARRIFF,CORK,IRELAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 941.5 D2C V. 11, 941.5 D2C V. 3, 941.5 D2C V. 4.
1901 Census of Ireland
111.2 Lower Glanmire Road, Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland.
John F Flannery, Head, Roman Catholic, Read & Write, age 30, Railway Porter, Married, born Cork County.
Bridget Flannery, Wife, Roman Catholic, Read & Write, age 27, Married, born Waterford County.
Mary Flannery, Daughter, Roman Catholic, Read, age 7, Scholar, , born Cork County.
Julia Flannery, Daughter, Roman Catholic, Read, age 5, Scholar, , born Cork County.
Ellen Flannery, Daughter, Roman Catholic, Read, age 4, Scholar, , born Cork County.
Kathleen Flannery, Daughter, Roman Catholic, Nil, age 1, Scholar, , born Cork County.
1911 Census of Ireland
19 Wolfe Town Park, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland.
John Flannery, Head, Roman Catholic, Read & Write, age 44, General Labourer, Married, born Co Cork, Speaks Irish & English.
Bridget Flannery, Wife, Roman Catholic, Read & Write, age 40, Married, Years Married - 18, Children born alive - 9, Children still living 9, born Co Waterford.
Mary Bridget Flannery, Daughter, Roman Catholic, Read & Write, age 17, , Single, born Cork Co, Speaks Irish & English
Julia Margaret Flannery, Daughter, Roman Catholic, Read & Write, age 15, , Single, born Cork Co, Speaks Irish & English
Ellen Flannery, Daughter, Roman Catholic, Read & Write, age 14, Scholar, Single, born Cork Co, Speaks Irish & English.
Kathleen Francis Flannery, Daughter, Roman Catholic, Read & Write, age 12, Scholar, Single, born Cork Co.
John Flannery, Son, Roman Catholic, Read & Write, age 9, Scholar, Single, born Limerick City.
Patrick Joseph Flannery, Son, Roman Catholic, Read & Write, age 7, Scholar, Single, born Limerick City.
Michael Flannery, Son, Roman Catholic, Read & Write, age 5, Scholar, Single, born Co Tipperary.
Elizabeth Agnes Flannery, Daughter, Roman Catholic, Cannot Read, age 3, , Single, born Cork Co.
Theresa Flannery, Daughter, Roman Catholic, Cannot Read, age 5months, , Single, born Cork Co.
1944 Deaths Registered in the District of Fermoy in Superintendent Registrar's District of Fermoy in the County of Cork.
No. 481.
Date and Place of Death - 1944 February Sixteenth, County Hospital Fermoy.
Name and Surname - John Flannery from Fermoy; Sex - M; Condition - Widower, Age last Birthday - 72 Yrs;
Rank, Profession or Occupation - Oil Salesman;
Certified Cause of Death, and Duration of Illness: Cerebral Haemorrhage, 1 days - Certified.
Signature, Qualification, and Residence of Informant - Martin Wall, Occupier, County Hospital, Fermoy.
When Registered - February Nineteenth 1944, Signature of Registrar - M A O'Brien.
Cork Examiner - Cork - Friday 18 February 1944
FLANNERY (Fermoy) - On February 16, 1944 John Flannery, 19 Wolfe Tone Park (late Irish American Oil Company). Deeply regretted by his sorrowing family. R.I.P. Funeral on this day (Friday) at 3 pm from St Patrick's Church, Fermoy to Kilcrumper. [2, 3, 6]
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Person ID |
I11561 |
falvey08 |
Last Modified |
25 Sep 2022 |
Family |
Bridget O'KEEFFE, b. Abt 1872, Co Waterford, Ireland d. 23 Jan 1941, 19 Wolfe Tone Park, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland (Age ~ 69 years) |
Marriage |
18 Apr 1893 |
Church Of The Immaculate Conception, Chapel Street, Tallow, Co Waterford, Ireland [4] |
_UID |
193D76EA93FB463088D8B9CFE89B7AC56445 |
Children |
| 1. Mary Bridget (Babbie) FLANNERY, b. 18 Jan 1894, Albert Place, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland d. 21 Aug 1973, Grange West, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland (Age 79 years) |
| 2. Julia Margaret FLANNERY, b. 20 Oct 1895, Barrack Hill, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland d. 28 Jan 1961, North Infirmary Hospital, Mulgrave Rd, Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland (Age 65 years) |
| 3. Ellen (Lily) FLANNERY, b. 20 Mar 1897, New Barrack Street, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland d. 5 Dec 1965, St Patrick's Hospital, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland (Age 68 years) |
| 4. Kathleen Josephine FLANNERY, b. 1 Oct 1899, Albert Place, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland d. 22 Jun 1926, County Hospital, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland (Age 26 years) |
| 5. John (Sonny) FLANNERY, b. 1 Feb 1902, 10 Upper Brownes Lane, Limerick, Co Limerick, Ireland d. 30 Jan 1971, St Lukes Hospital, Western Rd., Clonmel, Co Tipperary, Ireland (Age 68 years) |
| 6. Patrick Joseph (Joe) FLANNERY, b. 16 Mar 1904, Richardsons Lane, Limerick City, Co Limerick, Ireland d. bfr 2 Mar 1962, Cork City, Co Cork, Ireland (Age 57 years) |
| 7. Michael (Mick) FLANNERY, b. 26 Mar 1906, Limerick Junction, Co Tipperary, Ireland d. 24 Mar 1974, Mallow Hospital, Limerick Street, Mallow, Co Cork, Ireland (Age 67 years) |
| 8. Elizabeth Agnes (Aggie) FLANNERY, b. 28 May 1908, Factory Walk, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland d. 6 May 1994, St Patrick's Hospital, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland (Age 85 years) |
| 9. Theresa (Tessie) FLANNERY, b. 2 Nov 1910, Wolfe Tone Park, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland d. 22 Dec 1993, Hillingdon, Middlesex, England (Age 83 years) |
| 10. Thomas Anthony (Tony) FLANNERY, b. 28 Jul 1912, Wolfe Tone Park, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland d. 3 Jun 1988, Regional Hospital, Newcastle Rd., Galway, Co Galway, Ireland (Age 75 years) |
| 11. Esther (Ettie) FLANNERY, b. 22 Apr 1914, Wolfe Tone Park, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland d. 25 Jan 1986, St Patrick's Hospital, Fermoy, Co Cork, Ireland (Age 71 years) |
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Family ID |
F8630 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
Last Modified |
21 Feb 2017 |